Curse

Rocky Raccoon · Jun 11, 2009, 12:26 PM // 12:26

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Originally Posted by upier

Absolutely.

But bolded the main point.
The game still bores you.
And that's why I have no issues with people stating that. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to sugar-coat the truth or simply shut up when things aren't going the way that they should.

Whether you know it or not, it doesn't seem to me you can use Arduinna's statement to back your vendetta. You take a statement, highlite part of it, and then use it out of context of the total statement. I could do the same with yours by bolding "Absolutely" and saying I did it to your main point, totally ignoring the rest of your post. I leave it up Arduinna to tell me if I am wrong.

Ghost Omel · Jun 11, 2009, 12:29 PM // 12:29

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Originally Posted by Deathaxe Raizer

Is there going to be a skill update, or will Arena.Net continue to disappoint the player base even further?

Dissapoint... Strange me and my entire guild are happy with a free game we get to play with free updates and occasional content updates not to mention a decent PvP scene if you play with normal and not "coo-coo" people for the past 3-4 years....

The fact that low number of people on guru+ ingame that complain about these "WHA WE DIDNT GET AN UPDATE WE GET FOR FREE FOR OUR GAME THAT IS NOT PROMISED AT ALL"...are nothing more then frenzied perfectionist, or people think that Anetr owes them..

+ Regina stated..its going to be next week.
Get your Zkeys 1 week later.. and bear with "broken" PvP for 1 more week

ajc2123 · Jun 11, 2009, 12:31 PM // 12:31

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Originally Posted by upier

Didn't we used to have weekly updates?
And then they became monthly?
And now the monthlies are getting delayed? And when they do arrive they show how out of touch with the game the devs are.

It's their game.
They can do with it whatever they want.
But the question that arises is - with no new content and consequently people losing interested not only in the game but also the franchise - can they afford this?
They Know that they can.

Me? I can't wait to get my hands on D3!

Changed it for ya.

Of course they can, for the few percentage of players that actually voice their minds on guru that they are upset, it doesn't matter. They already have your money from the campaigns you bought, and when GW2 comes around, even if you don't buy it, many GW1 vets AND new people who never even played GW1 before WILL buy it.

I never played Team fortress 1 (Im assuming there is one due to the fact the one i have has 2 at the end of the name) But I bought Team fortress 2.

THEN people who bought GW2 and like it will want to try its predecessor. In actuality, GW2 is a great way to advertise GW1.

So yes, yes they can afford it, and I have absolutely no problem where the game is going.

Orange Milk · Jun 11, 2009, 12:35 PM // 12:35

I could careless about the Reward Points, though I have to say that the delays and the bugs are getting old.

It's just poor buisness practice to constantly let down your customers.

I wouldn't care if there were no XTH at all, it's just that if you are going to say that you are going to do something, then do it, it's easy right now to expect delays and dissapointment from ANet, which is sad.

Ghost Omel · Jun 11, 2009, 12:37 PM // 12:37

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Originally Posted by ajc2123

Changed it for ya.

Of course they can, for the few percentage of players that actually voice their minds on guru that they are upset, it doesn't matter. They already have your money from the campaigns you bought, and when GW2 comes around, even if you don't buy it, many GW1 vets AND new people who never even played GW1 before WILL buy it.

I never played Team fortress 1 (Im assuming there is one due to the fact the one i have has 2 at the end of the name) But I bought Team fortress 2.

THEN people who bought GW2 and like it will want to try its predecessor. In actuality, GW2 is a great way to advertise GW1.

So yes, yes they can afford it, and I have absolutely no problem where the game is going.

Totaly agrre..never played TF1 but i purchased TF2 and have a blast with it..but i heasrd TF1 was completely different then TF1 and never laid my hands on it (assuming what i heard was true never researched it)

Once again Some 1 had to put in "OMG cant wait for D3 SC2 yada yafa yada"
We know ....We all love the franchises that are older then a decade..we get it....We will begetting them to..you are not a lone case....

Speaking of 3s...cant wait to see more info in Serious Sam 3...

Serious Sam 3 >Sc2-----
Serious Sam 3 > D3-----(Speculation based on all franchises, previous games)
Serious Sam 3 > ME-----

"Sam I AM"

R.Shayne · Jun 11, 2009, 12:52 PM // 12:52

New XTH system, they are most likely double checking the rewards by hand to ensure they are no mistakes (that is what I would do). After doing this they will probably have to wait for their eyes to uncross.

I wonder how much complaining would be going on if a few people did not get the correct amount of z-keys?

esthetic · Jun 11, 2009, 12:57 PM // 12:57

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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

We're doing some backend work on the Xunlai Tournament House, so the points will not be ready tomorrow as planned. We're very sorry about the inconvenience. We expect to have the Xunlai points distribution available next week.

So the new system caused this delay... so why did we go to the new system? I find the new system harder to use than the old.. when it comes to picking the choices...

For the people who keep saying... free game... free game.. dont complain... well its not free... i paid for this game the expansions, the additional slots, the bonus campaigns, the name change, the makeover... ect .ect..

and "We EXPECT to have the Xunlai points distribution available next week." I would guess more trouble with this system than is beeing lead on.

ajc2123 · Jun 11, 2009, 01:01 PM // 13:01

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Originally Posted by esthetic

So the new system caused this delay... so why did we go to the new system? I find the new system harder to use than the old.. when it comes to picking the choices...

For the people who keep saying... free game... free game.. dont complain... well its not free... i paid for this game the expansions, the additional slots, the bonus campaigns, the name change, the makeover... ect .ect..

No monthly fee? Its free. Other mmos you have to pay for expansions AND monthly fee, AND server switches. Each expansion you paid for gave you content, Everything you paid for gave you an equal amount of content, yet we still get updates.

Ladeda

esthetic · Jun 11, 2009, 01:05 PM // 13:05

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Originally Posted by ajc2123

No monthly fee? Its free. Other mmos you have to pay for expansions AND monthly fee, AND server switches. Each expansion you paid for gave you content, Everything you paid for gave you an equal amount of content, yet we still get updates.

Ladeda

Because they dont charge you a monthly fee does not mean its "Free" Think of it this way.. How much money has ANet made with GW? Compare it with other online games. If it was free how could they have made more money than 99% of the other MMO games out there?

ajc2123 · Jun 11, 2009, 01:09 PM // 13:09

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Originally Posted by esthetic

Because they dont charge you a monthly fee does not mean its "Free" Think of it this way.. How much money has ANet made with GW? Compare it with other online games. If it was free how could they have made more money than 99% of the other MMO games out there?

Because the majority of them suck.

They make money because they know how to sell things people want. Makeovers and storage for one I know many people who already bought them. BMP for the PvErs, Skill unlocks for the PvP'ers who couldn't wait (Which is understandable because when I tried to PvP on my 2nd account, it was annoying with none of my favorite skills)

Everything you pay you get something equal in value. BMP = missions weapons, campaigns = all that playable content/skills etc etc. we DON'T Pay for maintnence or skill updates like other mmo's do. Thats why many consider this free.

Ghost Omel · Jun 11, 2009, 01:10 PM // 13:10

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Originally Posted by esthetic

So the new system caused this delay... so why did we go to the new system? I find the new system harder to use than the old.. when it comes to picking the choices...

For the people who keep saying... free game... free game.. dont complain... well its not free... i paid for this game the expansions, the additional slots, the bonus campaigns, the name change, the makeover... ect .ect..

In respons my own argument.....Who made you?

You have to purchase a game in order to play it

There is ONE expansion... no 1 made you buy it

Make overs, name change... your joking right.. you payed for these

servises..updates should even be in the same category

Bonus chapters....Once gain key "BONUS"

I get ya you know you wasted your money on a game....Let me see

Does.....Mass Effect get updated every month , week,weekend?

And you payed for it as well. Yet no updates..

Optinal purchases dont count towards your "WTF i payed" yeah you did and you got your extra content

So let see assuming you bough all the games at their prime

lets say 45 for the games....40 in some stores 50 in other take the middle ammaunt

45*3=135 for 3 chapter ( not expansions)
135+30(For EotN)=165

Assuming that you played for 4 years paing for free CoORPG

So lets see if you payed 15 for it ok ok `10.. that would cost you

lets say 100 bucks for a year with a discount....thast 400 bucks more that you DIDNT PAY.....

+ You get updates..regardless of wether they are good or bad...work still goes in them

=Free 10-20 $ update with Sorrows Furnace..
So you save 410-420 $

Ok now let put in your so called nessesities Storage, Make overs CHarr slots

40 for char slots,2 make overs +20 what was it 10 bucks for BMP

so lets see that 70 extra you have spent ok you save now 420-70=350...It saved you 350 bucks....

Obviously all this is just numbers you could be saving..you can save more or less...So how about this

You cough up 350 bucks.. which is days earnings for an Employee and he will give you an update...dont forget do ti everu 2-3 month.. then youl be satisfied with your personla update -_-

Kendel · Jun 11, 2009, 01:12 PM // 13:12

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Originally Posted by ajc2123

No monthly fee? Its free. Other mmos you have to pay for expansions AND monthly fee, AND server switches. Each expansion you paid for gave you content, Everything you paid for gave you an equal amount of content, yet we still get updates.

Ladeda

Just because somethings free doesn't mean i shouldn't expect at least reliable service to continue. Imagine Team Fortress 2 or Counterstrike if Valve simply released it then completely ignored it.

Broken builds are being encouraged in PvE, pugs have been reduced to Permasins or 600s which is in no way good for the game. PvP needs regular balances so when something appears thats overpowered it gets nerfed within a week, not left to poison the game for a month. Remember the old BoA sins? Took them so RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing long to fix that almost every lower level form of PvP was unplayable without massive melee hate.

Rocky Raccoon · Jun 11, 2009, 01:15 PM // 13:15

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Originally Posted by esthetic

Because they dont charge you a monthly fee does not mean its "Free" Think of it this way.. How much money has ANet made with GW? Compare it with other online games. If it was free how could they have made more money than 99% of the other MMO games out there?

Do you have the figures to back up the bolded statement up? It is free to play and I am sure you have more than gotten your monies worth if you are a long time player. I myself figure for money invested/hours played = $.09 per hour.

ajc2123 · Jun 11, 2009, 01:20 PM // 13:20

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Originally Posted by Kendel

Just because somethings free doesn't mean i shouldn't expect at least reliable service to continue. Imagine Team Fortress 2 or Counterstrike if Valve simply released it then completely ignored it.

Broken builds are being encouraged in PvE, pugs have been reduced to Permasins or 600s which is in no way good for the game. PvP needs regular balances so when something appears thats overpowered it gets nerfed within a week, not left to poison the game for a month. Remember the old BoA sins? Took them so RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing long to fix that almost every lower level form of PvP was unplayable without massive melee hate.

I'd be fine if TF2 was ignored. Still fun to play without updates.

PLAYERS broke the games in PvE and as part of the community, WE should fix it be REFUSING to use such builds if your so anal about it. No one is making you play the broken way. With all the complainers in guru, you could all make one alliance and play the way you want to play.

Why must Anet keep updating skills? What happened to ADAPTING to the different builds around you?

Too much Melee? Bring anti melee, Enchantments a problem? Bring strips. And don't say "We shouldnt have to bring specific counters to a single build" Because then its suggesting you don't see it that often, therefore not making it a problem. If you KNOW you are going to see certain builds, BRING COUNTERS! After a while of being countered, the build will fade out and a new one arrises. THIS IS HOW PLAYERS FIX THE GAME ON THEIR OWN!

Honest to fricken god how hard is it to adjust a build.

Kendel · Jun 11, 2009, 01:32 PM // 13:32

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Originally Posted by ajc2123

I'd be fine if TF2 was ignored. Still fun to play without updates.

Only because its moddable. Critical Explosives are the single most retarded thing i've ever seen in a game.

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PLAYERS broke the games in PvE and as part of the community, WE should fix it be REFUSING to use such builds if your so anal about it. No one is making you play the broken way. With all the complainers in guru, you could all make one alliance and play the way you want to play.

Oh don't start with that pathetic excuse. The skills were left in the game and people will take the easiest route if it means making money. If you don't believe this then go take a look at Ursan before it was eventually nerfed. Even if you didn't want to play Ursan nobody else went there, you either Ursaned or didn't do it, i recall seeing that lame reason before in Nerf Ursan threads. Zomg if you don't like ez mode don't play it... and play with who else?

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Why must Anet keep updating skills? What happened to ADAPTING to the different builds around you?

Huh? How does that happen if Anet never change anything? You can't continually adapt to something that never changes.

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Too much Melee? Bring anti melee, Enchantments a problem? Bring strips. And don't say "We shouldnt have to bring specific counters to a single build" Because then its suggesting you don't see it that often, therefore not making it a problem. If you KNOW you are going to see certain builds, BRING COUNTERS! After a while of being countered, the build will fade out and a new one arrises. THIS IS HOW PLAYERS FIX THE GAME ON THEIR OWN!

Honest to fricken god how hard is it to adjust a build.

Seriously stop talking crap. Bring anti-melee? Why? Nothing can even hit a permasin, all we need is the power to kill the foes in a few seconds, why bother countering the builds themselves.

You are completely contradicting yourself at every signle stage.

esthetic · Jun 11, 2009, 01:32 PM // 13:32

My posts dont say, "I paid a lot of money ANET owes me!!!" My posts say this. "Anet should do what they say, deliver what they promise." When they fail to do so.. you have a right to voice your displeasure, just because they do not charge a monthly mandatory fee, does not mean that the game is free and that you should not complain cause you dont pay a monthly fee.

Please dont put words into my mouth and try to troll me... My point is simple and true.

Rocky Raccoon · Jun 11, 2009, 01:32 PM // 13:32

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Originally Posted by ajc2123

Why must Anet keep updating skills? What happened to ADAPTING to the different builds around you?

Because it easier to complain then try to do that.

faraaz · Jun 11, 2009, 01:35 PM // 13:35

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Originally Posted by ajc2123

PLAYERS broke the games in PvE and as part of the community, WE should fix it be REFUSING to use such builds if your so anal about it. No one is making you play the broken way. With all the complainers in guru, you could all make one alliance and play the way you want to play.

Why must Anet keep updating skills? What happened to ADAPTING to the different builds around you?

Too much Melee? Bring anti melee, Enchantments a problem? Bring strips. And don't say "We shouldnt have to bring specific counters to a single build" Because then its suggesting you don't see it that often, therefore not making it a problem. If you KNOW you are going to see certain builds, BRING COUNTERS! After a while of being countered, the build will fade out and a new one arrises. THIS IS HOW PLAYERS FIX THE GAME ON THEIR OWN!

Honest to fricken god how hard is it to adjust a build.

Just wanna say, best post I have seen on Guru in a long time and I agree with ajc2123 fully. I would only like to add this...

Do you honestly think that once Shadow Form, Save Yourselves, CoP, all that good stuff is nerfed, PvE will become a magical land of fun and frolic? No, players in guilds interested primarily in elite area ownage WILL come up with builds that make high end PvE look like a joke. They WILL put these builds out for public use, and PvE WILL have its insta-win buttons and there is nothing you or anyone else can do about it. Not a matter of bad balancing there, its human ingenuity in a game with how many skills is it now? Two thousand? I know there's like 320 elites. NO WAY you can balance the game with that many skills in the mix, and NOT have a way to blow through PvE content making it look stupid.

Rocky Raccoon · Jun 11, 2009, 01:36 PM // 13:36

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Originally Posted by esthetic

My posts dont say, "I paid a lot of money ANET owes me!!!" My posts say this. "Anet should do what they say, deliver what they promise." When they fail to do so.. you have a right to voice your displeasure, just because they do not charge a monthly mandatory fee, does not mean that the game is free and that you should not complain cause you dont pay a monthly fee.

Please dont put words into my mouth and try to troll me... My point is simple and true.

Please elaborate what they say and promise that you haven't received. I also bet that the same constant complainers would do the same thing if they were paying a monthly fee game.

ajc2123 · Jun 11, 2009, 01:38 PM // 13:38

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Originally Posted by Kendel

Only because its moddable. Critical Explosives are the single most retarded thing i've ever seen in a game.

Oh don't start with that pathetic excuse. The skills were left in the game and people will take the easiest route if it means making money. If you don't believe this then go take a look at Ursan before it was eventually nerfed. Even if you didn't want to play Ursan nobody else went there, you either Ursaned or didn't do it, i recall seeing that lame reason before in Nerf Ursan threads. Zomg if you don't like ez mode don't play it... and play with who else?

Huh? How does that happen if Anet never change anything? You can't continually adapt to something that never changes.

Seriously stop talking crap. Bring anti-melee? Why? Nothing can even hit a permasin, all we need is the power to kill the foes in a few seconds, why bother countering the builds themselves.

You are completely contradicting yourself at every signle stage.

Play with who else? All the other people that don't like those builds. I just said that in my previous post.

You adapt by bringing different skills and not the same shit, thats what im trying to say.

There are counters to a perma sin too, easy to bring those

I'm not talking crap, your just too pissed off at loosing you cry to Anet everytime something 'needs' to be changed instead of trying a different build. In an ideal world, Anet solves all our problems, in a perfect world, WE DO IT OURSELVES.

BTW ty Faraaz. Very hard to receive compliments on here XD